Has nu-style killed off real Hardstyle.

Just to add to this one guyz maybe the topic should have been "has the cheesey melody killed hardstyle". Why is it nowadays that hardstyle producers feel they need to have a cheesey melody of anthem proportion in 90% of all hardstyle tracks,i believe there is a place for melodies such as party anthems etc,but in most cases & nowadays the over use of the cheesey melody has become the "norm" and doesn't improve the track but actually destroys it & seems out of place most of the time. My theory on this is the constant battle to out do hardstyles biggest rival/obstical/threat which is trance/hardtrance. I can fully understand this too but it doesn't mean i'm happy about it,lets just look at trance/hardtrance for a momement & take Holland for instance where probably 5 or 6 of the worlds top 10 dj/producers of trance/hardtrance hail from,these dj's have massive followings worlwide they were the first to sell out 40,000 seat arena's for 1 man shows.To make hardstyle global which has always been the aim of the big promoters hence the battle to become as popular as trance hence the commercialization of hardstyle.Hardstyle which was once hard & raw would never be taken seriously until these changes were made,once the changes were made & the stucture of a hardstyle track became one very close to trance it made it hard for any hardstyle producer to stray from this formula. Look at it this way if everyone is produceing cheesey,epic melodies on every track it just makes the next producer think he or she must follow the same formula so from then on everything will start sounding very similar & becomes very boring very quickly just as is happening in hardstyle/nu-style at the very moment. It is sad to see that this has happened to the music i love with a passion & therefore i feel a responsibility to try & somehow save hardstyle from becomeing a laughing stock just as early hardcore/gabber turned into happy hardcore in the mid 90's. Do you think the promoters are pushing for this commercialization or is it the producers themselves. So guys the only thing i can suggest for now is if you like the harder raw hardstyle i find the italian labels such as activa,wicked,explosive tend to have the real deal hardstyle & also a shout out to noisecontrollers who seem to be keeping it real in Holland.

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Well it's quite easy to fix this problem. Don't go to hardstyle parties.

Anyway I don't think there's much you/or anybody can do, there are comming new party people everyday, young people, who have a different taste and love the new kind of hardstyle and they are comming in big numbers.

Bigger numbers then the old party people so it's quite obvious the producers change as well since their audience is changing so rapidly and big. It's also because of the commercialization of course.

Another word for it is evolution. and I woudln't be surprised if Brennan Heart would make a new remix of The evolution of hardstyle track

its just hardstyle!

Couldn't agree more. Nu-style hardstyle has completely left the roots of hardstyle. Its virtually 'hard dance ft shitty bawp kick' as i like to call it . Its so crappy now a ruined genre. Not to mention hell easy to produce..

Its the same as happy hardcore - its completely moved away from its hardcore roots. But people still call it 'hardcore' sometimes.

this nu style is terrible some of the tracks out these days are atrocious! feel like an old man saying that hah but hardstlye from 2000-2005 was some great stuff...some of the new ones i just dont know!

What we need is reversed bass

I dnt get the hate nu style bullshit
Like honestly its kinda stupid
I luv proper hardstyle and nu style
Ppl should jst get over it and accept that things grow an change taking different directions.
If nothing ever changed it would be a really boring scene.
I think too many ppl are suffering from change resentment =P

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H3R3T3K wrote on 05 June 2010 @ 00:58:
I dnt get the hate nu style bullshit
Like honestly its kinda stupid
I luv proper hardstyle and nu style
Ppl should jst get over it and accept that things grow an change taking different directions.
If nothing ever changed it would be a really boring scene.
I think too many ppl are suffering from change resentment =P

I sometimes think some of the new prods from the big names (to name a few like Hhz, frontliner, brennan heart, and so on) are TOO HAPPY and generic...i sometimes don't feel the hardness, or even the motivation, the dance feeling...but in general, i'm agreeing with you...hating nu-style isn't the way to go, there's still some good things produced, and some shittier...like in the early days when i discovered HS in 2001-2002...nothing really change about ths, just the fact a lot more tracks are produced, and a lot more ppl are enjoying this music (and commented it too)...so yeah, just keep it HARD..that's all I want Maybe some floors with "Euphoric HS", "Raw HS" and "Early HS" is the good way to go, in this case everybody can find it's pleasure and every artists are able to produce what they like !!

i understand everything that has been said but i think that so called 'nu-style' is just something people who have started listening to early hardstyle from the gabber/hardcore stuff have created. hardstyle is hardstyle, its not a sub genre or any shit like that, early hardstyle is just what hardstyle used to be, nowadays its just more modern and up to date, music changes all the time and people should not start labelling the top hardstyle producers in the world as a sub genre just because they dont like it, would like to see alot of people who are against hardstyle today produce some of the stuff heady, noisecontrollers, dbNstf etc. are creating!

About 5 days I shall write my final opinion down, after Defqon . I know after the years that the music just sounds better over there. If I still get the goose bumps during the party as I used too, then I still like the music style called Hardstyle. But If I don't get that anymore then the hardstyle or Nu style evolved in 2 years into simple / booring / tasteless Music. I miss the emotion!!

When I hear the Top 40 of Hardstyle I skip just to fast. Where is the sound, the style, the class??? But there are still great tracks but in most cases I only like the beginning and the end. The melody is in most cases tasteless.

Where the F* are the Italian producers nowadays!!! Where is Technoboy suddenly. He gave Hardstyle the good direction. I miss the balance between the Dutch and the Itailian producers.

Ow men, I remember those nights with really nice hardstyle but you missed something and then Technoboy was there and everybody was feeling it. All the EMOTIONS that where flowing on stage and in the crowd.


I hope I can still feel it, otherwise I think this would be my final party , too bad because Hardstyle of 2001-2007 was GREAT but almost DEATH! And there are many people who want to visit a Qlubtempo party and I know that Q-Dance sees that to.

There are many people between 23 – 30 years old now with (>5 yr party exp)that make money now and want to spend that on a Early Hardstyle / Qlubtempo party. So Q-Dance please respond to this.

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FireStarter: wrote on 07 June 2010 @ 23:24:
About 5 days I shall write my final opinion down, after Defqon . I know after the years that the music just sounds better over there. If I still get the goose bumps during the party as I used too, then I still like the music style called Hardstyle. But If I don't get that anymore then the hardstyle or Nu style evolved in 2 years into simple / booring / tasteless Music. I miss the emotion!!

When I hear the Top 40 of Hardstyle I skip just to fast. Where is the sound, the style, the class??? But there are still great tracks but in most cases I only like the beginning and the end. The melody is in most cases tasteless.

Where the F* are the Italian producers nowadays!!! Where is Technoboy suddenly. He gave Hardstyle the good direction. I miss the balance between the Dutch and the Itailian producers.

Ow men, I remember those nights with really nice hardstyle but you missed something and then Technoboy was there and everybody was feeling it. All the EMOTIONS that where flowing on stage and in the crowd.


I hope I can still feel it, otherwise I think this would be my final party , too bad because Hardstyle of 2001-2007 was GREAT but almost DEATH! And there are many people who want to visit a Qlubtempo party and I know that Q-Dance sees that to.

There are many people between 23 – 30 years old now with (>5 yr party exp)that make money now and want to spend that on a Early Hardstyle / Qlubtempo party. So Q-Dance please respond to this.

@ firestarter, i will look forward to your report at defqon 1 on the weekend to see if you think the music is up to scratch, it will also be very interesting to see what kind of set headhunterz will play @ defqon 1, recently willem said he will play a really different set this year, i wonder what he means by that will it be harder or melodic or experimental hardstyle (can you report on this). I noticed also recently with interviews with the prophet & max enforcer they seem to think the direction of hardstyle will be getting harder & darker in the future, i think they must be hearing our messages i hope so, also you really hit the nail on the head when you mentioned the best parts of the track these days is the intro/begining & the ending i totally agree with you about the tastless melodies nowadays too & the Italians have always been known for there TUFF & RAW HARDSTYLE. So firestarter i hope you have a great time at defqon 1 & hope you indeed get those goosebumps & emotions from the style we love !!! ENJOY & greetz from the Aussies...

i'm going to hardstyle party's for 3 years now, and my oppinion is that there is a lot more emotion in the music now...
I mean if i lissen to a set of a party from 2003 there is bass with a few dark sounds, and now there is a intro and than a space moment and than the melody keeps going with a fine bass thats kicks in...
offcourse every one have his or here own taste, butt we are living in 2010 and not in 2002.....

Go with the time, and so with the nu-style.... And still call it mother facking HARDSTYLE
( sorry if i spelled something wrong. my english isnt the best)

Found this quote and its pretty true

"In the end we all want hardstyle to sound the best it can. But some people just live in the past too much. They don't want this music to improve, but keep re-living how it used to be."

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Kr1stjan wrote on 18 June 2010 @ 17:31:
Found this quote and its pretty true

"In the end we all want hardstyle to sound the best it can. But some people just live in the past too much. They don't want this music to improve, but keep re-living how it used to be."

Technoboy quoted this.

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paulrampage wrote on 19 June 2010 @ 02:54:
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Technoboy quoted this.

I think so yeah.

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Kr1stjan wrote on 18 June 2010 @ 17:31:
Found this quote and its pretty true

"In the end we all want hardstyle to sound the best it can. But some people just live in the past too much. They don't want this music to improve, but keep re-living how it used to be."

That's a nice quote

Last week I've been thinking about hardstyle. And I think I still like it, on Defqon you feel the music and it's still kicking.

But I also saw that some of the newer tracks doens't have the right sound. And that concerns me. I hope the numbers of tracks don't grow extremely in the future.

Tracks that made me happy:

- Brooklyn Bounce & Technoboy - Bass, Beats & Melody
- Tuneboy - Ombrello Maledetto
- Acti ft. Da Rook MC - Welcome To The Record Shop
- Frontliner ft. MC Villain - Who I Am
- Scope DJ - Househeads

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FireStarter: wrote on 19 June 2010 @ 22:47:
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That's a nice quote

Last week I've been thinking about hardstyle. And I think I still like it, on Defqon you feel the music and it's still kicking.

But I also saw that some of the newer tracks doens't have the right sound. And that concerns me. I hope the numbers of tracks don't grow extremely in the future.

Tracks that made me happy:

- Brooklyn Bounce & Technoboy - Bass, Beats & Melody
- Tuneboy - Ombrello Maledetto
- Acti ft. Da Rook MC - Welcome To The Record Shop
- Frontliner ft. MC Villain - Who I Am
- Scope DJ - Househeads

uhhh, i hate bass, beats & melody, something about that track makes my head hurt.

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Kr1stjan wrote on 19 June 2010 @ 23:00:
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uhhh, i hate bass, beats & melody, something about that track makes my head hurt.

Oke then I say Technoboy - Atomic (Joshua Hiroshy Remix)

I think you'll get the point.

There are still good hardstyle productions, but they take time to produce.

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FireStarter: wrote on 19 June 2010 @ 23:19:
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Oke then I say Technoboy - Atomic (Joshua Hiroshy Remix)

I think you'll get the point.

There are still good hardstyle productions, but they take time to produce.

Yeahh.

dont know if anyone is gonna see this, but i just wanna point out that we as REAL hardstyle lovers, dont actually HATE "nustyle" its the fact that people are labelling something that is not "HARDSTYLE" as "Hardstyle.".... thats what annoys us...its like calling Jazz music, Rock'n'Roll... Really this nu-style stuff is not hardstyle so stop acting stupid and saying things like "nu-style doesn't exist, just hardstyle." ive listened to hardstyle since 2003, so thats 7 years...the first "nustyle" track i heard was zany's "science religion" and back then those type tracks were always refered to as nu-style.. heck even the nustyle sample packs are labelled as "nu-style" samples... if it wasn't nu-style, why are so many true hardstyle fans calling it that? bcoz back then thats just what it was refered to coz of the different kick type. real hardstyle had the big reverb kicks, grungy bass lines, never pitched bass, never cheesy emotional melodies...everything about it was dark. this day an age, nu-style does not resemble the dark sounds of hardstyle, hence it should never be refered to as hardstyle! then the nustyle kick.. i wuld respect nu-style, but its been raped to the point of desolation... im sick of it! bring back variety! peace to all

oh yea also, look at the real hardstyle tracks on youtube...why they have no views compared to nu-style garbage! and people are dumb enough to believe its not for the money?? XD thats mainstream formula...take something everyone likes, then drain it for every cent its worth... then throw it in the trash once they are finished...

simple answer: yes.